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PandoraSpocks |
A few points from another point of view
Jan 13 2008, 10:47 AM EST
I am a professional groomer and I adore my goldendoodle clients. They are very lovable dogs. I agree with your point about AKC and the protests against these dogs. Irresponsible breeders aren't necessarily limited to hybrid breeders. I do, however want to address letting clients stay while doing their dogs. I have a policy against this for several reasons. Dogs are very hard to groom when they perceive me as keeping them from the one person they most want to be with. Well meaning owners telling their dog "It's ok", or "good dog" almost always sets them off and it takes me twice as long to do the groom. But, of course, the owner doesn't want to pay for that extra time. The other reason is liability. If an owner is bitten by a dog, even their own, or hurt in any way, I am liable. The insurance company will not cover anyone that is not an employee being in the grooming area. Anyone is welcome to tour the facility at any time, but not while thier dog is being groomed and not without an employee conducting the tour. It's not because we are hiding anything, but we have to protect ourselves, our businesses and our clients. I agree also about not shaving a double coated dog. But, in reality, most dogs only see a brush when they are broought in to be groomed. It should be brought up that in case of this kind of neglect, a very short trim may be the only humane solution. Dematting is painful and stressful. I also am concerned about recommending products that aren't for dogs. Tearless shampoo and Pantene might be totally harmless, but the courts percieve this as "off label use" Should any clients ask that I use these things, I would have to refuse. There are many dog products out there that do wonderfully for dryer coats. If you visit any of the groomer's sites online you'll see there are many groomers everywhere that are passionate about whats best for their clients. 3 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you?
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goldendoodleworld |
1. RE: A few points from another point of view
Jan 14 2008, 5:22 PM EST
I do know that groomers are regulated for the products they use. One of my friends was a professional groomer. She's now retired. She always told me that the dept. of agriculture was strict in the products that could be used on dogs and cats and the products were very regulated. My grooming tips are strictly for owners who want to do it themselves. I don't use dog shampoos or dips on any of my doodles because they do have sensitive skin and there are alot of harsh chemicals in dog dips/shampoos and so on. I found a really good shampoo at a "Sally's Hair" store and the clerk told me alot of dog groomers use the shampoo. I tossed out the bottle awhile back and have to go and get a new bottle but you can buy it by the gallon. The shampoo is really great for the doodle coat! Really makes it shine and also conditions at the same time.In your situation, I am sure its tough for you to groom the dogs while the owner is there. Some places have a set up where the dogs can't see the owners but the owners can see their dog being groomed. I am highly against lazy groomers who sedate dogs or place them under anesthesia just for the sake of making grooming easier. Let's face it. Groomers have it tough. So do breeders. It would be terrific if we could all be paid for what it is we do! People moan and complain about prices but they don't realize that there are over head costs and dogs are expensive to not only raise but to groom and take care of. We have a few lazy breeders here who sedate dogs and they've died and that's pretty devestating to the owner who leaves their dog for grooming and comes back to pick up a dead dog. Everything has its pros and cons. I definitely see your side of things too. Do you find this valuable? |
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2. RE: A few points from another point of view
Jan 14 2008, 5:25 PM EST
Sorry, I meant to say we have a few lazy GROOMERS here that sedate dogs to groom them....not breeders...
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PandoraSpocks |
3. RE: A few points from another point of view
Jan 19 2008, 4:31 PM EST
We really aren't regulated, but if a problem should come up such as a reaction to anything we use, and it was something that wasnt' labeled for dogs that can mean big trouble. I agree, a groomer should NEVER tranq a dog unless it's with the owners permission, AND as in my case under a vet's supervision. If I was working in a regular grooming shop, not only would I even dream of tranqing someone's dog, but I woudn't touch a dog that the owner tranqed either. (Believe it or not, some do thinking they are doing the groomer a favor) If a dog is too difficult to groom it should ALWAYS be referred to a vet groomer for traquilization. Groomers who do this on their own are asking for a lot of trouble! I mentioned the owner's staying, because there are several good reasons why that isn't always encouraged. None of them are because we have anything to hide. It's very hard to convince people what they read on the internet isn't gospel. (Like the woman who insisted she needed an undercoat rake for her SHIH-TZU because she read in on a shih-tzu website.- I ended up throwing my hands up and ringing it up since she wasn't hearing me tell her a tzu doesn't HAVE and undercoat, lol) BTW, have you or do you know anyone that uses a golden doodle to hunt? I'm trying to talk my sister and her husband into considering a goldendoodle. He wants a golden to train for hunting, and an indoor companion, but I don't think she will be able to handle all the hair. Do you find this valuable? |
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4. RE: A few points from another point of view
Jan 20 2008, 5:13 AM EST
The same occurs with us when we try to tell people that Goldendoodles are NOT miniature sized dogs, per se, when they call asking if we have "Miniature Goldendoodles". A true Miniature sized dog does not weigh over 25 pounds and comes from an entire lineage of ancestors who didn't weigh over 25 lbs; But you can't teach people the correct information about a dog of any breed or of any mix unless they really want to learn. Sometimes I get tired of trying and just say "No". So much erroneous information is out there about the Goldendoodle dog that many people just believe what they read instead of using common sense and good judgement.I have never heard of anyone using a Goldendoodle for hunting purposes and don't know whether someone would want to use them for this purpose..not because they can't be used..because they are very smart and could be trained for this, but for the coat alone, I wouldn't recommend it. The guy would be pulling weeds and briars out of the coat for days! NOw perhaps a smooth coat Goldendoodle would work out perfectly since their coat is close to the body that is very similar to the purebred Golden Retriever. A shaggy coat Goldendoodles' coat can be easily maintained if the coat is kept short but to keep it shaggy and then use them in the brush for flushing or hunting, I wouldn't dare want to see that dog coming back after a day in the woods! They'd be doing nothing for hours except plucking twigs, leaves and whatever else got caught up in the coat. Their coat mats very easily, even though its a single coat. As far as temperament and intelligence goes, that would all depend upon the dogs' lineage. Our dogs have many Master hunters, Utility dogs and companion dogs in their ancestry...so they could be taught without any problem by a good trainer. One problem might be getting the dog to leave your side. They stick close to their owners and family. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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doodleplum |
5. RE: A few points from another point of view
Jan 20 2008, 5:27 AM EST
Also, using human products on a dogs coat should not cause any issues whatsoever. Human products used on a dogs' coat is much safer than many dog products, especially dog dips. We use "equate lice shampoo" on puppies instead of dog dips because the pyrithin levels in the human product are enough to kill fleas on a puppy, but not high enough to cause death or toxic problems, where dog dips could. We've used human shampoo for our Goldendoodles since 1999 and have never had a problem. Human products aren't toxic to dogs, otherwise they would be toxic for people. Again, our grooming information is strictly for dog owners and not groomers, themselves as far as suggestions for products.As far as putting a dog to sleep just to groom them or sedating them for grooming, even if its a vet who is giving the meds or sleeping gas, I don't recommend it. Many deaths have happened from this and I would be really pissed off if I left my dog with a groomer who was perfectly fine when dropped off and then come back to discover my dog died while in their care. I have had some dogs who are difficult to groom, but I just ask another person to help me because trust me, unless a person has experience with a trouble dog, they don't know how exhausting it is! I've had times when I could only shave down ONE dog because it was so exhausting trying to hold it down and shave them down at the same time. You literally get muscle failure and feel like you've had an entire work out when done. Some dogs freak out when hearing the clippers even though they've been groomed before. Or for some reason, they don't want to stand on the grooming table. In either case, two people should be used..three if necessary. lol Do you find this valuable? |
